Come on TAS, please settle down…

TAS
Which makes me wonder, you didn't say anything about the art back in 2003 when this thread was first posted, nor in 2006 when it was revived, but now all of a sudden take a intrest in it.

Not everyone visits every topic that's active… Bo usually posts on Ghostbusters HQ and this is actually one of the few times he's been on Ghostbusters.net in recent memory, so he wouldn't have likely seen your topic back when it was last active.

The style isn't as anime as others… but I think I can see the influence he was talking about, that said… it could be far worse.

It could be Ghostbusters Bishounen, and then that'd just be frankly horrifying to behold.

It could be Ghostbusters Bishounen, and then that'd just be frankly horrifying to behold.

I do have a Bishounen design in all of this (Damion) so it's kind of funny that you bring that up, however I always tend to include a Bishounen character in most of the casts I design, but generaly just one.

It's kind of like designing a fighting game cast, ie you gotta have your Wrestler Guy, Ninja, Old Kung Fu Master, Female Chinese Martial Artist, Bishounen, etc.

And even though the thought of GBB horrifies you (and many others too I imagine) I'm pretty sure someone has done it.

It makes me curious if there are any GB Doujinshi though, I mean I was surprised to find out that there were ones for Harry Potter, which I didn't believe at first until a friend of mine showed me the cover of one online, and it was instresting see HP portrayed in such a different style, and/or it's always cool to me to see stuff portrayed in different artistic styles then those of it's norm, like that GB pic that reiq did, or that cartoony GB2 inspired one on the previous page.

TAS
I'd rather be able to defend myself (creations, art, etc) rather then just sit back and take it.

Unfortunately, that's not how the internet works….
Well, you could do that everytime someone has an issue, but you'll be fighting alot of pointless battles…

You can't have a go at Bo for voicing an opinion, just be damn happy he decided to take a look at your work and comment on it.

And so what if he didn't like it, if you started working on this project just because you wanted all the fanboys to fall at your feet, you started it for the wrong reasons.

At the end of the day, you took the risk by posting it online, you just gotta take the risk that someone might shoot you in the face over it.

Take it in your stride and get on with it, If I had wasted my time fighting with everyone that said my idea was dumb a year ago, I wouldn't still be publishing GB:Apocalypse. I would have probably gone insane.

The internet is full of bastards that hate everything you do, and will attack you on a personal level because of it. And they all have a god given right to do it. Harsh, but true. Once you accept it and learn to ignore the bullshit, it makes life a hell of a lot easier.

Yeah the internet is full of bad people you will always criticize other peoples work. I believe some people are just retarded and go around the internet looking to simply talk bad about other peoples work.

Just look on You Tube for example, no matter how good a video might be some idiot is going to bad mouth it.

Basically a big ditto to what everybody said.

Don't post your art if you can't take critiques.


And seriously, I'm surprised Bo didn't bite your head off, man.

Unfortunately, that's not how the internet works….
Well, you could do that everytime someone has an issue, but you'll be fighting alot of pointless battles…

I have arguments and discussions on forums all the time, and stuff like “that sucks” is no fun, I'd rather have a discussion or argument whether it be be good or bad then deal with comments like “that sucks” or “that's great” because that type of stuff is nothing, even if all the posts were “That's great” or universal praise that type of thing would get boring, or that type of thing does infact get boring, and I'd much rather discuss ideas on a Discussion Forum (go figure) rather then just read one liners.

You can't have a go at Bo for voicing an opinion, just be damn happy he decided to take a look at your work and comment on it.

If he's able to voice his opinion then I should be able to post mine, and he should be able to back up his opinions as should I, which is kind of how this started out with him, but it really wasn't a discussion so much as his problem with anime inspired art. It would have been one thing if we were discussing all aspects of art (style, designs, etc) but it never came to that.

And so what if he didn't like it,

It doesn't matter if he didn't like it, it was just the lame ass way he went about responding to it. It's like those people that post just to post or just want to post something like “meh” like he didn't actually critique anything or actually say anything other then making it clear he doesn't like anime inspired art.

if you started working on this project just because you wanted all the fanboys to fall at your feet, you started it for the wrong reasons.

Yeah except for what I stated above about not liking universal appraise.

At the end of the day, you took the risk by posting it online, you just gotta take the risk that someone might shoot you in the face over it.

Which is perfectly fine and something I agree with but post a little more then 10 words about it.

I mean after that long ass post I made it seems odd that somebody would respond with just that, hell something about how long the post was or what a waste of time something so long was would've been better.

Take it in your stride and get on with it, If I had wasted my time fighting with everyone that said my idea was dumb a year ago, I wouldn't still be publishing GB:Apocalypse. I would have probably gone insane.

This isn't about somebody not liking something. I don't have a problem with the fact that he doesn't like it just the way he dealt with the fact that he doesn't like it, and it wasn't even that so much as he couldn't even stop to take a second to see past the style and just look at the designs themselves.

The internet is full of bastards that hate everything you do, and will attack you on a personal level because of it. And they all have a god given right to do it. Harsh, but true. Once you accept it and learn to ignore the bullshit, it makes life a hell of a lot easier.

Why do I get the feeling that everybody is looking at this the wrong way or isn't viewing it from any other viewpoint but a narrow one?

Yeah the internet is full of bad people you will always criticize other peoples work. I believe some people are just retarded and go around the internet looking to simply talk bad about other peoples work.

Just look on You Tube for example, no matter how good a video might be some idiot is going to bad mouth it.

The YouTube example is quite a good example in that it's just a bunch of nothing, pointless posts, etc, and nothing of any real value.

Don't post your art if you can't take critiques.

I can take critiques, it's idiots, morons, spammers, trolls, etc, that I can't stand.

If somebody is going to act like an idiot then it's only fair they should be treated like one.

And seriously, I'm surprised Bo didn't bite your head off, man.

Compared to the way I generaly post, I was pretty nice about all this.

I should point out that I'm a mod on another forum, so I'm pretty aware of how forums, boards, and all that work and how how everything is up to discussion or critique on a forum, but I should point out what everybody is posting right now is a discussion, are worthwhile points of views, thought out expressions, etc, not one line of worthlessness like that of a YouTube thread. I mean see how we're having an ACTUAL discussion about things here, rather then just saying “You're stupid” or whatever?

Like if Bo was willing to go more indepth in his second and third posts on here, why wasn't he able to do that with his first post? Can anyone give me a good reason why? His second and third posts are actual discussions, debates, etc, and the type of posts I like/want to see regardless if good or bad, but the fact that he showed that he was capable of doing it in his second post and/or actually made a decent post in that second statement just goes to show how completely worthless the first post of his was.

And don't say that I can't always have it my way or the way I want, that is something that is quite obvious, but the way the thread was prior to all of this was perfectly fine was it not? There were things that people diagreed with of mine earlier on that I had a totaly fine recation to did I not? Or did everybody just decide to not pay attention to any of that? Like hmmm why would TAS be okay with the other people who didn't see eye to eye with him but not Bo? But I'm getting the feeling that thought process didn't cross anyone's mind here, but then again correct me if I'm wrong, cause it certainly doesn't seem that way.

Some head studies that I did in 5 mins while at work…



…I wanted to test how fast I could draw them with some level of sketchy detail rather then just straight up line art.

You're a user Bo. Just like any of us. You have no rank or status. The fact that you're Bo Holbrook does not magically mean that you are exempt from being questioned, challenged or even, hauled over the coals. It does not give you a licence to criticise without reason.

Now I'm not trying to attack you, but when you go round saying things like you just did… well. Expect some eye brow raising.

I will say what I want, when I want, and ain't nobody gonna stop me. Now i've been amazingly civil with this whole thing. So get off my back, Iain.

I'm not on your back at all my dear friend.

I was merely informing you that your identity carries no weight. Now… if you were somebody important, I don't know… like a President or something similar, maybe you could make such a comment.

Ah good times

And Iain I gotta say for being a mod you're surprisingly polite.

It's a curse from being British. :p

I will admit that I haven't really understood much of this thread. I can understand that some people do and some people do not like your artwork. I'm one of the former, I'm not sure why style of artwork should have any negative or indeed positive effects on peoples' appreciation, surely we should assess it on its own merit, not add or deduct points because its style X, Y or Z… I could however just be extremely naive.

Modern Uniform Inks



Sorry no Khaki colored marker here at work and the black marker I have would cause the gloves/boots/pads to loose detail to the point where they'd just look like black blobs

It's a curse from being British.

I will admit that I haven't really understood much of this thread. I can understand that some people do and some people do not like your artwork. I'm one of the former, I'm not sure why style of artwork should have any negative or indeed positive effects on peoples' appreciation, surely we should assess it on its own merit, not add or deduct points because its style X, Y or Z… I could however just be extremely naive.

Maybe it is being British, but on the forum I mod on you alot of the same topics repeating alot and it gets really frustraiting to the point where it's hard to be polite anymore, not to mention all the people there that don't understand how things work and only want what they want and don't care what process said company has to go through to get it to them, and of course you also get the people that just don't want to listen.

I've gotten into arguments in threads on said forum, and having mod powers definitly has it's advantages there, because if a thread ever goes too far off topic due to whatever argument (if I'm included or not) or see that neither party will conceed or listen to one another I just go through all the “bad” posts and delete them to the point where it makes it seems as if there never were any argument at all.

As for the artwork I don't mind if it gets negative feedback, the ideas themselves may be different, but even then it would depend on what was said, ie “well that doesn't really fit with the canon” or “that seems out of character for this person” are all very valid type things or critiques that can help make something better. For instance if I want something to fit with the canon or be true to the source material in that instance then I should obviously go back and retool my idea (which I've done before with concepts) although there are SO many times where a person is very stuck in what they've come up with that they think nothing could be better rather then listening to ideas that could make it better (which obviously wansn't the case here) and just want to stick with what they got.

I myself look at my GB 2005 concept and just kinda go into a facepalm and think to myself “ugh I can't believe I posted that” or “that isn't/wasn't a good idea at all” and things like that, although I think every artist/creator/writer is like that with some of their past work.

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More while at work doodles…

RGB Peter Venkman - My Style

Are you trying to put me in my place, Iain? You know how AWESOME that works out for people.

Compared to someone who arugues with a mod? I mean that almost always works out well doesn't it?