It's Danny's Fault


by paulday

22 years, 1 month ago


Hello people, I’m new here, and here to bring you hope of sorts, perhaps my own insight on the matter of our favorite heros.

Personally I believe the only thing that stands in the way of a 3rd Ghostbusters movie (ironically) is the original actors. Danny A. is being a fussy baby: first off, suggesting a movie that is too long to be made into a single feature is bad business. I mean, this series is without a sequel in 15 years and he already has two movies in the works? I love the premise, but it should be condensed.

Dan had his chance with Sony. He though, was not willing to compromise something as relivant as length to do business. Dan had his chance with Billy M., but he decided to insult him by giving him a mear cameo, but at the same time he won\'t do it without him. So those are two deciding factors, all in Dan\'s court. Blame the original creator of the whole thing for it\'s demise. It is of course, his right, and it won\'t ruin the magic, but I think it\'s a tad bit selfish.

The idea that the movie needs to play homage on the original cast is mear nostalgia. We are trying to appeal to a younger audience here, and an audience who has long forgotten Ghostbusters. The only thing nostalgia does for the movie is bring it closer
to it\'s fans, which is fine, but it won\'t sell. We could play homage to Batman by putting Burt Ward in it, but most people won\'t understand. I am totally for making a new movie without
the old cast in the picture. And no offense to Dan or Bill, but their time as actors is running short. I wouldn\'t invest in a movie starring them either. Unless of course they pull a
Cher.

Star Wars was able to pull off a late-sequel (prequel) without the original cast of the first 3, and so can Ghostbusters. The premise that additional sequels are required to suppliment this new story, is a misnomer. As we can see with Star Wars, the second one wasn\'t exactly as popular as the first. Sequals need
to be far spaced apart, otherwise you\'re going to run it into the ground. This is what happened with the Batman movies. The first two are great, but they tried entirely too much to produce movies with the same \“Good VS. Evil\” tired theme too close together.

Ghostbusters can also fall prey to this if it is written without a
point. Great, they can kill ghosts, what\'s the point? Ghostbusters 1
was about a new breed of hero\'s. One\'s which rely on less on brawn,
but more on spirit and that appealed to the story and it\'s fans.

The second movie had the same premise, and since it was anticipated by
many, it definitly would of done well regardless of how good the movie was.
Though I do think the movie was successful in its craft. The point of the second one was to suggest that we and our negative natures will come around and destroy us eventually. Hence the Ghostbusters (2) peace premise with the logo. This, and good music (great music), made this movie
successful.

A third movie needs to be “self sufficient”. This means that it shouldn\'t rely on the old movies for it's storyline, nor characters. The “nostalgia” and the inability to accept anyone else but Bill, Dan, and Harold as Ghostbusters, is only limiting the franchise because of the lack of confidence in the premise of Ghostbusters, and the spirit, being all that really is important (not the actors!!).


Dan strikes me as the type of person who doesn’t compromise ideas very easily, especially if he’s enthusiastic about them. While I think that the man (and all the characters) are brilliant, I think we need someone to write the movie
who has a fresh perspective. Respectfully, Dan and
Bill haven’t made many good movies lately. I think they have it in them, but we are not in the 80’s anymore. Ghostbusters needs to be fresh and new, not just with special effects, but with content.

Necessitating “Bill Murray’s presence” is a sign that these individuals aren’t confident enough that other actors can carry on the legacy. It comes across as arrogant and
selfish, like Ghostbusters isn’t something that “anyone
else can do”, and I do not agree with that. While that may be true in some respects, it is also a turn off. I
believe something “different” is in call, with different personalities. I do not think that different
personalities would ruin the franchise at all.

It’s all about good writing, and original writing. Most sequels fail because they are mear homage’s of their other counterparts. They do not bring a certain “new depth” to
the series, nor new plot structure.

Ghostbusters 2 was different from the first, and that is what brought it
success (with good writing). As was the 2nd terminator movie, or the 2nd Batman movie. To declare some “supernatural” detriment to sequelism is not entirely logical or with good basis. There are
reasons sequels fail.

Another strike against Ghostbusters is that the “dorkiness” of the characters isn’t popular in today’s
culture. Image is ever-more prevalent, so you need popular new (and younger) actors to fill their rolls.
There is a shortage of good candidates though in that respect, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Bill
and Dan are wonderful, but I do not think they appeal to the younger crowd.

I believe another strike against Ghostbusters 3 is the overemphasis
of special effects over content which is so viral in todays movies. Along with the deminishing music scene, it\'ll be difficult to find musicians who can live up to what it takes
to make \“Ghostbustin\' Music\”. Let\'s not let it fall in line with horrible sequels such as MIB 2.

In afterthought, I am beginning to write a script (this is for real), and I intend (as I’ve dreamed all
my life) to make this thing happen. All I need is some delightful minds to invest. Legal issues aside, Ghostbusters the movie franchise IS NOT COMPLETE! We need another movie.

Of course this is all opinion, sorry for talking you to death.

Thank you all,
Paul Day

by GBFreak

22 years, 1 month ago


Totally agree with you on everything you said. If you need help writing, or want someone to review the script I am at brendan_mertens@homtail.com. Thank You.

by Kingpin

22 years, 1 month ago


Firstly, the problem with Bill is nothing to do with Dan, Bill's always had it in for GB sequels “GB2 The end of the Ghostbusters”. And you can't really blame Dan if he gave Bill a cameo after the s**t he'd put them through, and I think it was actually Bill who wanted to do a cameo.
Secondly, we would need the orignals, even only as cameos to make the change (handover the business, teaching etc) It wouldn't be a proper GB movie in my opinion if they didn't have at least one of the team.
Thirdly, Can we blame Dan if he was reluctant to chop the movie in half? It might work with Lord of the Rings as it's set in three different books and would be a mistake to put it all together as one film, but you can't really chop the new film up or you start to follow along the lines of Friday 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street, too many seperate movies.

by paulday

22 years, 1 month ago


Bill was offended that Dan wanted only to include him as a cameo, and suggested he'd only do it if he would have 5 minutes as Pete and then he dies to be a ghost in the rest of the movie.

Why does this have to “proceed” the events of the second movie? Can we try harder to come up with something original rather then reusing the old guys.

Pauly

by Ghostbuster_D

22 years, 1 month ago


They tried that. It lasted about a season in 1997 and then died. It was called Extreme Ghostbusters.

by Sinister

22 years, 1 month ago


Good evening Mr PD! Congratualations on the fact that your writing a script, I am too, I'm good with plot but I can't seem to pad it out! Any way! I hear what you say about a younger audience, but this does need to appeal to the old fans aswell, in mine there is an equal amount of action for the newbies aswell as the oldies, I would suggest that you do the same in order to appeal to everybody, also why not put a post on fanfic and ask people what they want in a script, ie: new vehivles(choppers etc) action, romance.

Hey may not be a senior member here, but I do know what I'm on about!

by Texasgb

22 years, 1 month ago


Sorry but you are completely wrong. Murray did not even want to do a cameo. Aykroyd was just trying to accomodate him by giving him a small role. As the creator of this franchise I think Aykroyd should have a big say in the development of the script. I trust Aykroyd and believe it was a great script. Sony and Murray are to belame.

by AgentD

22 years, 1 month ago


I don't blame Aykroyd in the least. While his last sequel effort (Blues Brothers 2000) may not have been too good, I think GB3 would be a completely different animal. I blame the studio and his fellow cast members. None of them have done anything worth a crap in years and none of them want to revisit the film that put them on the map.

As for making the film appeal to a younger audience, it's a philosophy like that that makes gimmick-filled sequels. I am afraid that if GB3 did come out, the studio would turn it into a teen-movie. All pop stars on the soundtrack, heaven for bid they might have cameos in the films! Sony would likely put product placement all over the film (cough, MIB 2). Let's face it. They don't make movies like Ghostbusters anymore.

by NetSolo

22 years, 1 month ago


Sinister- nice GB3 logo… looks familiar.


As for the comment that Bill hasn't made any good movies lately:
Kingpin, Rushmore, Royal Tennenbaums, Cradle Will Rock… sure we could throw Osmosis Jones into that list but it wasn't that great, and then there's Charlie's Angels which… bah. Dan's actually the only one who has had trouble landing leading roles in successful films.

More on that later.

by Texasgb

22 years, 1 month ago


I still think Dan is really talented he is just not doing as many projects. I think he is concentrating on running his hob chain.