Problem with Weaver Hall


by secrecyguy

18 years, 6 months ago


You should redo the main page since it turns out to be a scam.

Read more here…

http://www.ghostbustershq.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=3631

by Kingpin

18 years, 6 months ago


There is a difference between ‘scam’ and ‘going into hiatus’.

The 88MPH forum and site are still running, right? Even if the contact section's been disabled.


I don't want to get into a fight… but please, no sensationalism.

by sinister1

18 years, 6 months ago


It is not a scam.

It's a financial cock up. Not a scam.

*sigh* Even businessmen make mistakes, theyre not pretty, but they happen, it doesnt mean its malicious…

by fusi0n1

18 years, 6 months ago


So he's changed all emails, removed mentions of the hardcover (I would have thought he'd take more orders to help his ‘financial burden’), and left a contact form which he'll supposedly reply to, and everyone is saying he's just ‘taking a break’ and going on ‘hiatus’?

Don't know about you, but it sounds a ‘little’ suss.

by Kingpin

18 years, 6 months ago


(I would have thought he'd take more orders to help his ‘financial burden’)

It's probably fair to conclude that the book wasn't gonna get any more customers, not after so many requests for refunds.

Suspician is fair and justified… but I think people have been making a bit of a knee jerk reaction as it's only been three days. What possible business can be conducted in three days? I reackon it'd take that long just to print the book.

It's obvious the hiatus from the board has had the exact opposite effect (Or the desired effect if you're cynnical enough).

by sinister1

18 years, 6 months ago


This is what i don't understand. I really don't. Everytime somebody seems to have smoothed things over, someone jumps up and makes a sensationalist claim. Usually using some form of hyperbole to emhpasise their point.

We are all aware that there is an issue regarding the hardcover.

We are all aware that Seb has screwed up.

But why do people have to make the assumption that the problem is of malicious intent? I think the fact that he announced his departure shows more (not much, but a little) honour than if he'd just gone. I think it's a sign that he isn't gone for good.

Evenflow, yes principle is important. Very important. I agree. But so is perspective. I have never once said “It's only $35”. However, the fact that it IS $35, whilst it doesnt excuse the situation, does mean that you or anybody else will be losing the roof over their home any time soon.

What worries me is that people constantly keep saying “Fraud” and “Illegal” and that 88mph is “getting away with it”. There really is no evidence of this. We are just sensationalising the issue.

I beg you all to look at what has happened here objectively, please.

Sebastian Clavet has made some previous financial mistakes. Bad ones yes. He thinks his new project, a Ghostbusters comic book will be fine. At first it is. Then there are delays, indicating that there are fincancial problem back in the days of the indiviudal comics. The HUGE amount of variant covers produced suggests that Seb needs to get as much money as possible for whatever reason.

He then tries to publish the hardcover. For somereason however, the money he collected from this project has had to go towards his last cock up, regardless of the Titan book, he is left with not enough money to print the Hardcover.

Things are getting rather bad. He has lost the money people paid him to get the book out. I expect he's rather terrified. He has licencing fees to pay, and he infact has lots of customers yellling at him. On top of this, the artist who coloured “The Zeddemore Factor” has also not been paid.

Seb is in a difficult situation. Either he needs to refund everyone…. which he hasnt the money for. Or he needs to get the book published… which he hasnt the money for. All the while he's getting abuse from customers. Possibly not unfounded, but still, rather distressing. He knows he needs to get money. He knows that anything he says will merely inspire more attacks. So he goes offline for a bit on his first actual break. If he was disapearing with our money he wouldnt have said “im going” he'd have just split. For all we know he's going south to ask a relative for financial aid. Maybe he's selling his house and getting a smaller property to fund the book. Either way. We don't know. But there is no cause to jump to the idea of Fraud.

fraud
n.
A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.
A piece of trickery; a trick.

One that defrauds; a cheat.
One who assumes a false pose; an impostor.


So far, we cannot prove that Sebastian has met any of those criteria for fraud. I might be British, but as far as I'm aware, “Innocent unilt proven Guilty” is part of the American Way is it not?

I really don't think you should stop being angry. Not at all. We've all been left hanging. Sebastian DOES deserve anger. And he needs to face up to his mistakes. But getting hostile really won't help. And there is certainly no cause to jump to the idea of criminal act.

by PVENKMAN84

18 years, 6 months ago


Good post, unfortunately I doubt anyone will listen.

by fusi0n1

18 years, 6 months ago


Believe me, I have been listening to you guys for a while. Whilst I have the utter most respect you guys and your views, (and the fact I haven't been keeping track of the entire thing), it seems to just be getting worse. I mean I thought it was almost at the printers?

And to you and the rest of the US it's $20 or $30, for me it's $50 AUD! To a family man with 2 kids, that's something.

Anyway, I don't want to beat a dead horse here. So forgive me for a having a little rant, okay?
It was just a snide remark, and has nothing on some of the other threats that I've read in ‘that other thread’.

by Kingpin

18 years, 6 months ago


fusi0n
Believe me, I have been listening to you guys for a while. Whilst I have the utter most respect you guys and your views, (and the fact I haven't been keeping track of the entire thing), it seems to just be getting worse. I mean I thought it was almost at the printers?

And to you and the rest of the US it's $20 or $30, for me it's $50 AUD! To a family man with 2 kids, that's something.

Anyway, I don't want to beat a dead horse here. So forgive me for a having a little rant, okay?
It was just a snide remark, and has nothing on some of the other threats that I've read in ‘that other thread’.

Fusion, it's no problem. The decision has left a lot of people upset and obviously questioning…

Unfortunately there's only a few clear options in what people can do at the moment… although with wishful thinking we hope there's a resolution soon.

by Hawkangel

18 years, 6 months ago


And to you and the rest of the US it's $20 or $30, for me it's $50 AUD! To a family man with 2 kids, that's something.

Glad another Aussie on these boards ordered the hardcover Legion book.
And yes, I am a married man with a child and mortgage.