Ghoulishfright
…..but let's face it. Killing is a necessary part of life, and both of those things happen every day. It's called survival of the fittest. If you prefer not to kill animals for sustenance, then great, that's your choice and you're entitled to it. But don't be a hypocrite by defending the ‘animals’ that go around murdering the same animals themselves….
Some people in this world don't have the luxury of being vegetarian, like we in industrialized nations do. Thank your lucky stars you don't live in Kenya…..

mmm you don't know anything about wildlife? … hypocrite by defending the ‘animals’ that go around murdering the same animals themselves…. … I mean… what the hell is that for an example… do you even have a concrete idea on what the hell you are talking about?

man, keep you guns and kill yourselves then minus crap that will be…

sorry but what the…

He's arguing there is already a dichtomoy of predator and prey in wildlife and irregardless of humans getting involved with guns animals will still continue to go around and kill each other. Which makes it sort of pointless to argue for gun prohibition to save animals from something thats going to happen anyway…

Jesusfreak
You say one minute that the only purpose of a gun is to kill, but then say if Law Enforcement uses it it's ok. Obviously there are a number of problems with logic like that.

What if Law Enforcement kills someone by using a gun, what if they don't? That right there overly states that there is more than a killing use for guns.

There are also people who buy and own guns for entertainment, I know several people who own guns for their Historical Novelty and several others who own guns merely to shoot at targets! Because they enjoy that.

Ban guns and people will use bows, which are just as deadly. Or they will improvise their own projectile launchers.

I have seen strong and well thought out logical arguments for banning guns before, your propositions and reasonings do not fall into this category.

The purpose of the gun IS to kill. That is what it was invented for and that is its use. It's not exactly used for unscrewing light bulbs or picking your nose with now is it!

Regarding those people who own guns for entertainment, ornamental firearms have been used by criminals before. Also, just because you are a member of a firing club, does not mean that you pose no danger to society. Even members of firing clubs have committed crimes using their firearms. I'm sure these people could find something else to do which is equally as enjoyable that doesn't involve guns.

Oh and bows are not nearly as dangerous as guns. You can't be serious about that.

You say that my argument for banning guns is illogical. I'd say your argument to keep guns is highly illogical. Comparing the gun with the bow for example? There is no greater crime than murder. Many people die every year and live in fear in the US from gun crime. Banning the sale and ownership would cut gun crime. What's illogical so about that?

If you think a bow isn't as dangerous as a gun, then anything I say isn't going to register with you. A bow is a very dangerous weapon, and it can kill just as easily as a gun. The fact is, you say the only purpose of a gun is to kill. When I give examples of other purposes you simply write them off and say ‘Well people can still kill with them.’

Understand that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to prevent us from beign taking over by a tyrannical government, are guns worth that to you? A way to fight off an force that is going to take away your way of life? Or would you be happy to have the rest of your freedoms taken away?

Your argument for taking away guns is because they kill. Let's examine why people actually use guns to kill other people in society, because it's what they see in the media and in soceity. Your not adressing the root problem, which will still remain after you implement your solution. Violence and murder will still exist, humans are very resourceful…take away one form of attack and they find another. However if you address the root of the problem you might could make a difference.

If you havent noticed, this poll has become one sided. While that means very little as this is a public forum open to people from an array of countries, I am willing to bet if a referendum was put up people would not vote to ban guns. In fact people HAVE tried to ban guns before and the majority said ‘no’, unfortunately this is democracy and the majority likes their weapons.

Let us not mention the other forms of death that your not even considering… Why not ban something like abortion which is both immoral and murder… Why not try and decrease drunk driving which kills more than guns do a year.. Why not try and remove all weapons that could lead to death of someone?

Bottom line is, American citizens are not going to vote to ban guns. And I'm sure all of those people are horribly wrong and have nothing but malicous motives for guns.

Jesusfreak
If you think a bow isn't as dangerous as a gun, then anything I say isn't going to register with you. A bow is a very dangerous weapon, and it can kill just as easily as a gun. The fact is, you say the only purpose of a gun is to kill. When I give examples of other purposes you simply write them off and say ‘Well people can still kill with them.’

Understand that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to prevent us from beign taking over by a tyrannical government, are guns worth that to you? A way to fight off an force that is going to take away your way of life? Or would you be happy to have the rest of your freedoms taken away?

Your argument for taking away guns is because they kill. Let's examine why people actually use guns to kill other people in society, because it's what they see in the media and in soceity. Your not adressing the root problem, which will still remain after you implement your solution. Violence and murder will still exist, humans are very resourceful…take away one form of attack and they find another. However if you address the root of the problem you might could make a difference.

If you havent noticed, this poll has become one sided. While that means very little as this is a public forum open to people from an array of countries, I am willing to bet if a referendum was put up people would not vote to ban guns. In fact people HAVE tried to ban guns before and the majority said ‘no’, unfortunately this is democracy and the majority likes their weapons.

Let us not mention the other forms of death that your not even considering… Why not ban something like abortion which is both immoral and murder… Why not try and decrease drunk driving which kills more than guns do a year.. Why not try and remove all weapons that could lead to death of someone?

Bottom line is, American citizens are not going to vote to ban guns. And I'm sure all of those people are horribly wrong and have nothing but malicous motives for guns.

I don't want to trail off into other topics such as abortion too much. I want to try and stick to the topic of gun ownership if you don't mind.

I just really wanna talk about criminals who use guns. Let's say they used a bow for instance, like the example you gave.

If you fire a bow at someone it's probably just as deadly. I agree with that. But lets look at it from the view of the common gun criminal. Guns are so easy to carry around and keep hidden. A bow and arrow is not. There is no way to put it in your pocket or conceal it under your clothing. Also, guns hold an entire chamber of bullets which can be used in quick succession, unlike using arrows with a bow. Lastly, bullets are just so much more deadly than arrows, for instance, a bullet can go through the door of a car where as a typical arrow does not. Guns are the weapon of choice for a reason, they're far easier to carry, conceal, and use than any other weapon out there.

Explosives were also mentioned. These would also be highly impractical for criminals. This is because an explosive does not discriminate. When it explodes the blast goes in all directions. This is impractical for the criminal because he would be blown up along with who he's trying to hurt. Of course, this is how suicide bombers do their missions, but we're not talking about terrorism here, we're talking about common street crime.

Some people get so paranoid about their rights when banning guns is braught up. They seem to think that it would just be the first of many. No. Banning the sale and ownership of guns must be done because it is right.

I understand that many people in America want to keep gun ownership. The reason for this is fear of gun crime. “I'll shoot you before you shoot me”. People are scared and it's understandable. They want to be able to defends themselves so they feel safer with a gun in the house. I don't think that this is a good reason to keep guns though. It's just a vicious circle. A catch 22 situation. The average gun owner keeps a gun to defend himself against the gun. So he wants to keep the gun legal. Which means the person with criminal intentions also has a gun, which is what the gun owner is defending himself from in the first place. Fear is the reason and it's not a worthy reason to keep guns legal at all. It's just very sad.

Actually, it would take more than a car door to stop an average arrow if you knew how to use it.

Guns are not the problem, and there is no need to ban them. The way soceity views and follows is the problem. You eliminate that and you solve many problems. Banning guns is only going to work and fix the problem for so long, then another problem will appear due to the same root causes and will likely have the same outcome.

Ron your back?!?!?!?

Mathew you still fail to relize that if you ban guns, the normal law biding citizen who use a gun to defend themselves are now left defenseless, against the guy who breaks into your house, actually has a gun, and holds you hostage, robs you, and eventually kills you. As Ron mentioned the ammendment was added to help keep the country from being taken over by another country, or now more likely a terroist organization. Take the minute men from the Revolutionary war for instance, they played a big role in us gaining our freedom from England, they were normal town citizens who would be ready at a moments notice.

ppl are nuts

Matthew
Are you serious about the slingshot thing?

Uhhhh…

inebriantia
Maybe, for thought, don't take this too seriously but….

:p

Jesusfreak
Actually, it would take more than a car door to stop an average arrow if you knew how to use it.

Guns are not the problem, and there is no need to ban them. The way soceity views and follows is the problem. You eliminate that and you solve many problems. Banning guns is only going to work and fix the problem for so long, then another problem will appear due to the same root causes and will likely have the same outcome.

There is a root cause to every crime. It's mostly drug related though. Addicts who rob people, burgle houses to get money for drugs, drive by shootings that type of thing. You're absolutely right that if this root problem is not dealt with, if guns were banned, the drug addicts would just resort to committing their crimes using either illegal guns or knives. I think that the government would have to seriously tackle the drug problem if they were to ban guns.