I absolutely love how stupid conspiracy theorists are.

Again, you have yet to comment on why we would make this up. If he's alive, why would we say he's dead? What would we gain out of that? The U.S.A. would be absolutely embarrassed and open to several attacks based on our lies, solely to show how weak we are. No, no, keep ignoring the people who ask you that question, and just talk about Santa Claus more. That makes you look smart… oh wait…

You didn't quote anyone who is actually smart. You quoted more idiots, who don't feel special enough in this world, so they question major accomplishments in an effort to make themselves feel special by tearing down others.

Santa Claus and Bigfoot? Yea, you'll convince people that you have a real case for believing that bin Laden wasn't actually killed by making jokes like that.

Your picture alone proves just how pathetic you, and your questioning of this story, are.

Just like the 9/11 thread, I'm leaving. The people who choose to make up these conspiracies in their mind are completely pathetic, and are scum. I'm sick of reading the garbage that spews from the mouth of you fools just because you have nothing better to do than to try to make yourselves look smart.

Respond all you want, I'm not coming back.

Good luck with this, Ben. Chad, can we have an Ignore feature as part of GBN 2.0? I'd love to be able to ignore the folks who don't even comment on Ghostbusters and only come here to bitch about how unfair they think their life is because of college book prices and make up half-assed conspiracy theories about a major United States accomplishment. Really, these people are absolute garbage.

Doctor Venkman
Chad, can we have an Ignore feature as part of GBN 2.0?

::rubs chin:: That's actually not a bad idea. I wonder if Chad has even thought of that…

::edit::

Also the fact that he didn’t survive his acquisition is a good thing. Had he survived it would have been a nightmare. If he had been captured a live he would have eventually been put on trial…which…could have been years down the road. All the while he would be housed in Gitmo, inspiring more and more individuals to his cause.

Also, if he were put on trial, he would have the option to defend himself which would allow him to see the evidence against him…most of which are classified government files. Do we really want the most feared and reviled man in the world access to some of the most classified and sensitive documents?

Not to mention he would most likely have not given anything up if interrogated. Bin Laden had been walled in up in that compound for so long, I doubt that he personally knew much of anything that Al Queda was doing. I honestly thing the raiding of his compound that eventually happened after his death will end up giving us more info than Interrogation of that mass murderer.



All I am saying about that.

I doubt the U.S would have anything to gain from making all this up, like Ben said early reporting could have gotten some of the details incorrect. Also, i agree, there's a strong possibility that Al Qaeda is planning revenge, it probably won't be any different from the other terrorist attacks we've suffered in the past. With or without their leader, Al Qaeda will be a threat. Their leader is dead now, it proves that we'll never give up. At least it'll hopefully serve to weakened them eventually.

You didn't quote anyone who is actually smart.

Alright, I'll do that then.

As with every major event, the early reports aren't always as accurate as the ones that come later once the dust has settled well enough to get a clear idea of what went on.

Yes, this is true. Usually each witness's take on an event is a bit different from the others, and so reports change. However, when main parts of the report are changed, we should determine if these changes may be lies.

For instance, after the Oklahoma City bombing, the first news reports showed bomb squads removing unexploded bombs found inside the building. Reports later said that there had only been one bomb, the truck bomb parked outside the building.

And sometimes the reports are completely wrong. Like on 9/11, when the collapse of building 7 was reported 20 minutes before its collapse. The reporter tells us about its collapse in this news video, although the building is clearly seen standing in the background:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tGOt9f3gKk

This is one of several aspects to the collapse that I don't understand, and had pointed out on the 9/11 thread. However, that thread was removed before anyone could explain where I went wrong with my conclusions regarding building 7's collapse.

I have also been told that the 9/11 theories are nonsense. If they're nonsense, then why not keep the thread there for people to laugh at? They could laugh and say, “Look at this guy! He actually thinks the news reporters are liars because they said a building collapsed when it hasn't. What an idiot!”

Beyond that, DNA is a recognised item of proof. It's not something that can be faked like a lie detector. And, as Dan said, the US wouldn't make up the claim that they'd killed him for him to then release a video saying “So, yeah… not dead.”

Osama Bin Laden is DEAD. Stop looking for a conspiracy.

Osama Bin Laden's DNA could have been collected from anywhere, such as from a hair or something else containing DNA left at a location where he had been. Besides, they could give whatever DNA results they want, whereas having him alive or showing photos of his body would provide evidence that we can all see for ourselves.

I'm not suggesting he is alive. He might have died years ago. I don't know. All I know is that the story of his takedown lacks credibility.

He never would've allowed himself to be captured alive, nor would he have divulged information to the west.

Supposedly being unarmed, I don't know how he would've been able to totally prevent being captured alive in that situation. Even if he never said anything about how he was avoiding capture, we could have at least gotten some idea by seeing his health and what kind of condition he was in after all those years.

Yes, its still possible to make a shrine. But not one involving his body, which would obviously be more meaningful to his supporters.

So it’s not an issue about whether or not there is a shrine, but how meaningful the shrine is? If they make a shrine, his supporters will likely behave the same regardless of whether or not his body is there.

Again, you have yet to comment on why we would make this up. If he's alive, why would we say he's dead? What would we gain out of that?

I wasn’t aware these types of questions needed answers in order to point out that the story looks like a lie. These questions require details that I don’t know, and so I can’t answer them. That’s like a police officer being suspicions of someone who is claiming that his or her wife or husband fell off a cliff. But when the police officer questions the surviving spouse’s story, he or she says, “Well, if I’m making this up, then why I’m I doing it? And what do I have to gain from it? Can't answer those questions? That's because you're making up theories.”

I absolutely love how stupid conspiracy theorists are.

You should've explained for us why the questionable aspects are stupid to consider.
Such as their concern of adhering to the Islamic religion by burying the body within 24 hours, but failing to do a proper burial by dropping the body at sea, instead of burying it at an unmarked location on dry land. Or Obama's order for a risky military operation to prove to the world that we finally had Bin Laden versus bombing his suspected compound, but instead, he’s dropped at sea and the photos aren’t released, leaving only DNA as evidence.

Apparently, there was concern over providing prove. Though all we saw was a fake photo, and now everyone is supposed to take the word for it, and trust that the DNA evidence is from the body, and that it matches a known sample. There’s nothing to satisfy those who are skeptical. All there’s left is one side’s word against the other, whether the actions taken seem sensible, and if the reports seem realistic.

BigMac;170907
If they're nonsense, then why not keep the thread there for people to laugh at?

Because this isn't anything to laugh about.

Bin Laden is dead.
This is a GHOSTBUSTERS forum, if you want to discuss conspiracies til the cows come home, I strongly suggest you go to a forum dedicated to them, because it's quickly becoming clear that the majority of this forum who've commended on the subject couldn't care less about the latest conspiracy theory.

Drop us a line when you resume work on the 3D Ecto-1, that is something we actually want to see more of.

Kingpin;170910
Because this isn't anything to laugh about.

Bin Laden is dead.
This is a GHOSTBUSTERS forum, if you want to discuss conspiracies til the cows come home, I strongly suggest you go to a forum dedicated to them, because it's quickly becoming clear that the majority of this forum who've commended on the subject couldn't care less about the latest conspiracy theory.

Drop us a line when you resume work on the 3D Ecto-1, that is something we actually want to see more of.

To be fair guys, this is the MISC section of the board where we can talk about non-Ghostbuster stuff, now if this was posted in the GB forums, yeah.

However, al-Qaida themselves confirmed his death, so that should put the unwanted and unnecessary conspiracies to rest.

It's okay. I'm a stupid too.



See?

Because this isn't anything to laugh about.

I was under the impression that it was. Penn and Teller seemed to think the 9/11 conspiracy theories were ripe for comedy, and Doctor Venkman wrote, “My God, some people need to give their head's a shake and get rid of these stupid conspiracy theories, lol.” Yahoo news even had an article about the “wackiest” Bin Laden conspiracies, and it appeared to be humorous.

it's quickly becoming clear that the majority of this forum who've commended on the subject couldn't care less about the latest conspiracy theory.

Yes, the majority has never been interested in thinking about or questioning what's going on around them, leaving no sense in discussing these issues with them. History has proven this. With that said, I guess I'll stop.

Just two more things though:

I want to briefly demonstrate the difference between conspiracy theories and facts.

Five Israel veterans posing as Arabs celebrated the 9/11 attack. They were arrested and sent back to Israel without investigation. Afterwards, three of them said on television that their purpose was to “document the event”. - This is a fact.

Larry Silverstein, a man with connections to Israel spent 15$ million for a 99 year leasehold on the WTC weeks before the attack. He reworked the insurance, making sure it covered acts of terrorism. He also replaced some maintenance and security personnel. He has since been rewarded over 7$ billion in insurance, and has said on television that WTC 7 was “pulled”. - This is a fact.

Israel likely has connections to the 9/11 attack. - This is a conspiracy theory. However, the theory wasn't completely made up in my mind, because it's based on facts. Even when facts are not mentioned in the official story, or are contrary to the official story, they are still facts, not conspiracy theories, theories derive from the facts. This sounds simple, but people don't seem to understand, such as Doctor Venkman who wrote:

Just like the 9/11 thread, I'm leaving. The people who choose to make up these conspiracies in their mind are completely pathetic, and are scum. I'm sick of reading the garbage that spews from the mouth of you fools just because you have nothing better to do than to try to make yourselves look smart.

Lastly, someone had posted this on a Yahoo news article about Bin Laden's death: IT'S CALLED A RAID PEOPLE! We don't wait for them to arm themselves.
Bin Laden had no time to realize that there was a raid going on and he should arm himself, despite a long and intense gunfight at his compound? What kept him so occupied that he failed to realize? Was he busy videotaping himself as he watched videos of himself?

BigMac
majority has never been interested in thinking about or questioning what's going on

There is a difference between not thinking about or questioning whats going on and not really caring about whats going on.

What happens happens. No amount of weaving theories or “truths” will change this fact.

BigMac;170956
Yes, the majority has never been interested in thinking about or questioning what's going on around them

I've been finding in my experience that when confronted, a conspiracy theorist will dress up their theory/ies as a “mental exercise”, or “questioning the status quo”. Flimsy pretenses to give the expression of said theories some semblence of credibility.

With that said, I guess I'll stop.

Thank you.