yeah, actually it was sigourney weaver who suggested oscar should be one, i would put my money on oscar being one rather than 4 whole new busters, but who knows, we may never find out either lol

Sigourney Weaver was simply throwing out an idea. She's not related to the script. Who even knows if Dana is being written into this script.

I was simply correcting the fact that you said “they said OSCAR WILL BE 1” implying the writer or Ramis or Aykroyd said that, which is not true.

I was simply correcting the fact that you said “they said OSCAR WILL BE 1” implying the writer or Ramis or Aykroyd said that, which is not true.


aaaah yeah lol no dude i must have put what i meant across wrong, i never meant ‘they said it’ i just meant lets say it was me writing it then for me ‘oscar would be 1’ instead of introducing 4 new GB oscar would be the start of the new GB, i never meant that they actually said it cuz they never lol my apologies

You know, even though the Rookie is never mentioned by name…and probably is not going to be mentioned by name…I wonder what name they have for him in the backdrop.

What I mean is, that sense this game is canon, does the rookie have a real name? If so, I wonder what it is or what Dan or whoever thought of.

Scott Sommer;135799
You know, even though the Rookie is never mentioned by name…and probably is not going to be mentioned by name…I wonder what name they have for him in the backdrop.

What I mean is, that sense this game is canon, does the rookie have a real name? If so, I wonder what it is or what Dan or whoever thought of.

I think the Rookie having a real name would defeat the purpose. Its supposed to feel like you're the Rookie. If they give him a name, then its not like the Rookie is you, it gives him an actual identity, which defeats the purpose.

And what do you mean “in the backdrop”?

Doctor Venkman;135805
I think the Rookie having a real name would defeat the purpose. Its supposed to feel like you're the Rookie. If they give him a name, then its not like the Rookie is you, it gives him an actual identity, which defeats the purpose.

And what do you mean “in the backdrop”?

I don't think that is true. There are some characters you can associate with and they still have names like Micheal Becket of FEAR 2, Gordan Freeman, and so on. I don't think giving him a name defeats the purpose.

Here is a real question, while he doesn't have name he does have an image. Doesn't that defeat the purpose more than a name does? What if someone who isn't Caucasian plays the game or say a different sex? This is why some people wanted character creation in the game. You have characters that both don't have a name or an image because their face is covered like the Point Man in FEAR with his mask.

Anyway, what I mean by backdrop is “behind the scenes” in a way. Umm…I am trying t think of a good comparison…..erm…..take Master Chief from Halo. You would have never known his name was John if you never read the novels which gives the story behind the story.

If they were to make a novel based on this game, would the rookie still be called “rookie” or would they give him a name? I mean since he is part of the canon, I don't really think they would never give him an identity.

I don't know, call me crazy, but I can immerse myself into a character even if he had an image and a name.

Scott Sommer;135810
I don't know, call me crazy, but I can immerse myself into a character even if he had an image and a name.

I'm not saying its impossible to do that. I'm saying the point of the game has always been “You're the 5th Ghostbuster!” That's what its being marketed as. You get to play as yourself, as a rookie on the Ghostbusters team.

Doctor Venkman;135816
I'm not saying its impossible to do that. I'm saying the point of the game has always been “You're the 5th Ghostbuster!” That's what its being marketed as. You get to play as yourself, as a rookie on the Ghostbusters team.

Like I said, it is harder to immerse myself into thinking the rookie is me, when the rookie doesn't even remotely look like me.

Like I said, what is worse giving him a name or giving him a face?

No offense to you Doctor Venkman, but I don't how you can say that giving a name ruins the connection between me believing I was the 5th ghostbusters, yet giving him a face that doesn't resemble you doesn't ruin it? I am confused by that one.

I am not complaining and I am not saying it is a bad thing, but if immersion is key then it would have been better to not give him a face at all.

It is hard to give a character a face and still say “this is you,” because if it doesn't look like you, then you have a problem.

Scott Sommer;135821
Like I said, it is harder to immerse myself into thinking the rookie is me, when the rookie doesn't even remotely look like me.

Like I said, what is worse giving him a name or giving him a face?

No offense to you Doctor Venkman, but I don't how you can say that giving a name ruins the connection between me believing I was the 5th ghostbusters, yet giving him a face that doesn't resemble you doesn't ruin it? I am confused by that one.

I am not complaining and I am not saying it is a bad thing, but if immersion is key then it would have been better to not give him a face at all.

It is hard to give a character a face and still say “this is you,” because if it doesn't look like you, then you have a problem.

Given that you're most popular view of the Rookie is from behind, and that you don't see his face that often, its not that hard. Hence the “first person shooter” view that you have. It puts you into the “first person” which in this case is supposed to be yourself.

I'm not saying you never see him and that its easy to immerse yourself in the character, and that he looks general enough to be anybody, cuz we all look different. But giving him a backstory and a name clearly ruins the connection between believing you are the 5th Ghostbuster. The less we know about the character the better in order to believe that we are him and he is us.

Doctor Venkman;135822
Given that you're most popular view of the Rookie is from behind, and that you don't see his face that often, its not that hard. Hence the “first person shooter” view that you have. It puts you into the “first person” which in this case is supposed to be yourself.

This game is not a first person shooter. It's a third person shooter.

First Person Shooter (FPS) are distinguished by a first person perspective, that renders the game world from the visual perspective of the player character.

Third-person shooter (TPS) is a genre of 3D action games in which the player character is visible on-screen, and the gameplay consists primarily of shooting. Though shooting games have traditionally been third-person, the term “third-person shooter” came into use after the widespread popularity of first-person shooters, in order to distinguish them from their counterparts

'm not saying you never see him and that its easy to immerse yourself in the character, and that he looks general enough to be anybody, cuz we all look different. But giving him a backstory and a name clearly ruins the connection between believing you are the 5th Ghostbuster. The less we know about the character the better in order to believe that we are him and he is us.

But then you defeat the purpose of a “character.” If he has no name, no life (aka backstory of any kind), and no soul then he had no character.

Even the most simple of characters have a backstory. Even a simple one like “The rookie is named John Smith who moved to New York for opportunity and found one with the Ghostbusters. Little did he know that opportunity knocked back.” See and I made that up in less than 5 minutes. Doesn't have to be complicated or deep, just to set him up as a character. If he just popped into the scene from out of no where and no one explains how he got there then you lose connection with them.

Even Dan Aykoryd wanted to make the first ghostbusters where they were already in business and had national departments, but Harold Ramis and Ivan Reitman thought it would be better to show the back story before you jump too far ahead and lose the audience.

If you take took much away from the character, then you have no character. Why is he here? Where did he come from? Why did he join the Ghostbusters? Was there no other job openings? Did he want to be something else?

If you want immersion to the top degree then why not make Ghostbusters 3 in pure first person view of you becoming the Ghostbuster?

If this rookie makes any appearance in an other Ghostbusters media, you have to give something to work off of. You get my drift now? It might work for the game, but say a novel (graphics or written) or a movie….it won't work so well. Then things start to not make sense anymore.

“The less we know about the character the better in order to believe that we are him and he is us.”

Then take away his image, his grunts entirely, and his complete persona and just have a blank slate if you wan true immersion. If you want true immersion you are going to have to be more ambiguous than that. There is really no half-way mark here.

Again, I have no problem pretending it is me even if it doesn't look or sound like me, but there has to be more to work off of