devilmanozzy;163777
Look at this screencap….
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100730084423/ghostbusters/images/4/4e/021-screenrolls.png

That's from the scene splice, it doesn't crop up today, but in older cartoons and films, moments before a scene change you'd see the splice appear right at the bottom of the frame.

Kingpin;163787
That's from the scene splice, it doesn't crop up today, but in older cartoons and films, moments before a scene change you'd see the splice appear right at the bottom of the frame.

Yeah, it looked the same on the “Creatures of the Night” dvd too. I guess this just wasn't as easy to notice on VHS or TV. Reminds me of the whole Blu-ray GB movie grainy thing. In this age it can be seen every speck of dust that is on the footage.

But there is a difference between the version on “Creatures of the Night” DVD and the Box Set. Funny enough, the zoomed in on the footage, which sort of makes this less apparent. It's there but they cut it higher.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100730181458/ghostbusters/images/2/2d/021-screenrolls2.png

Kingpin;163787
That's from the scene splice, it doesn't crop up today, but in older cartoons and films, moments before a scene change you'd see the splice appear right at the bottom of the frame.

i don't follow you, and i've been working in film/video for nearly 20 yearsfnow.
Physical film edits (scene splice as you call it) have to be done precise or it throws the sprockets out. As a piece of film, that would be unplayable, and even if it was playable, each suscessive shot would be in the same incorrect position, it doesn't auto correct itself.
Chances are that these shows were edited on tape (its cheaper safer and easier ). There is an occasional glitch on old analogue editing machines called a servo lock error. Theyre especially common on Umatic, and caused by the machines not snynching properly.
This could be that but i doubt it. Looks more like an analogue capture error to me. I'm surre it wasn't in the original TV broadcast. Unless my TV of the time had major overscan that cut it off.

ToastDuster;163792
i don't follow you, and i've been working in film/video for nearly 20 yearsfnow.
Physical film edits (scene splice as you call it) have to be done precise or it throws the sprockets out. As a piece of film, that would be unplayable, and even if it was playable, each suscessive shot would be in the same incorrect position, it doesn't auto correct itself.
Chances are that these shows were edited on tape (its cheaper safer and easier ). There is an occasional glitch on old analogue editing machines called a servo lock error. Theyre especially common on Umatic, and caused by the machines not snynching properly.
This could be that but i doubt it. Looks more like an analogue capture error to me. I'm surre it wasn't in the original TV broadcast. Unless my TV of the time had major overscan that cut it off.

It was a standard. Read these….

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_video_editing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_editing

In short, it was at one time used everywhere. Til the advent of Non-linear editing system which become common place in the 90's, everything had a small degree of splice editing showing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-linear_editing_system

devilmanozzy;163798
It was a standard. Read these….

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_video_editing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_editing

In short, it was at one time used everywhere. Til the advent of Non-linear editing system which become common place in the 90's, everything had a small degree of splice editing showing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-linear_editing_system

not in my experience. don't believe everything you read on the internet. you're misinterpreting the meanings and technology being quoted.
Analogue editing (correct terminology, or linear if you like) does not create errors like that. Trust me on this, i'm more than experienced in editing, both analogue and digital. Analogue tape editing does not actually physically cut the tape, making this effect impossible. The little roll/jump hints towards a possible servo error, but it does not look quite right for that.
Technically a film edit physical cut can do it, but it would prevent the film from playing due to the sprocket holes being out of place.
Transferring analogue tapes to digital can be problematic if there's servo or tracking errors on the source, which can confuse the digital capture as to which frame it's looking at. I'm pretty sure this is the problem here.

I stand by the Time Life crew, I don't see how something like that could be a digital error unless it was something that occurred when the video master was produced.

I bet if someone dug out one of the VHS copies of Night Game, it'd show up on that.



In fact… I think the same thing can be seen during Ghostbusters, but more present as a darker strip at the bottom of the frame, rather than a small slip of the next scene.

just out of curiosity, are you in the industry? You're enough of an expert to know how to identify one type of glitch from another?
You'd be surprised how many video/dvd releasing companies don't really know what they're doing, and will get a jobsworth to fire out an excuse that joe public, who not knowing any better, will believe. On this set alone, they didn't format widescreen footage properly to make it anamorphic, got some episodes playing at the wrong speed, and didn't research enough to get some episodes with the original music. Hardly a glowing example of full competence at work. I even ended up training people from one dvd company in the UK after they botched a bunch of DVDs they released of my work, and this label had been in business for years. the staff didn't understand broadcast safe colour or audio levels, and trashed loads of DVDs they released. They told me a lot of rubbish too, until I sortd them out.

Believe what you want, what do I know after my experience? I've been working with Robert Englund on my current project, and I'm happy enough about that

I never claimed to be an expert, but when it looks like a footage splice to me, and resembles something similar I've seen in some films, I'm willing to believe it's the same thing.

Having had five years of education that's used both Premier and After Effects and never once had something like that happen to me with digital editing, it leaves me less willing to accept it as a digital error, over something that occurred when the episode was put together.

On this set alone, they didn't format widescreen footage properly to make it anamorphic, got some episodes playing at the wrong speed, and didn't research enough to get some episodes with the original music.

Yet they managed to get copies of the isolated audio, original production artwork for the equipment, characters and backgrounds… and even found a copy of the original prmotional short.

The downsides to the set were offset by the extras.

Kingpin;163820
I never claimed to be an expert, but when it looks like a footage splice to me, and resembles something similar I've seen in some films, I'm willing to believe it's the same thing.

Having had five years of education that's used both Premier and After Effects and never once had something like that happen to me with digital editing,

its not a problem with digital editing, its (most likely) an analogue to digital capture error caused by servo (synch fault on original tape edit) or tracking (degraded tape probably. A lot of the episodes on the set show print-through problems, which shows they weren't looked after properly). Even with a fancy time base corrector, its sometimes difficult to remove the most extreme of problems, but from what i've seen this quite mild, from a technical pov. Pretty sure its a servo fault given it only happens at cut points, which incidentally may mean it is visible on the original analogue broadcast/tapes.
Nothing whatsoever to do with digital editing (nor did i ever say it was) , you're barking up the wrong tree, no wonder you're so off the mark. After Effects isn't an editing program, surely you weren't taught to use it as one? It is the best thing out there for making animated DVD menus.

I have to say that that comes off as a rather convenient explanation to cover why the issue would appear only at scene transitions, rather than at random points throughout the episode.

Surely there wouldn't be any “stress points” (for the lack of a better term, as incorrect as it may be) in the TV network master tapes, as those themselves would be prints of the very first finished cut of the episode.

ToastDuster;163824
you're barking up the wrong tree, no wonder you're so off the mark.

I'd strongly suggest you be less abbrasive if you want to convince people to your case.

ToastDuster;163824
After Effects isn't an editing program

Given the features it encapsulates it definitely was designed for video editing, seeing as it's use is for adding special effects to digital video. I edited together my whole Final Major Project for my final year of University using it. It can be used in conjunction with Encore to create DVD menus.