vigo_the_butch;168696
I couldn't have said i better.

The slime and vigo were never connected in the movie. The slime sprouted many spirits(scolari bros, the titanic, PARK BENCHES!) Vigo was however the strongest presence.

So it doesn't undermime vigo, the only question would be where the slime originated. GB2 implyed that new york's negative energy,over time, spawned the slime. Whereas the game indicates that the slime was created by shandor.

Maybe they are related? Did shandor create the mood slime at first and new york's negative energy made it grow and develop?

If that's the case then how come the river of slime is there below Vigo's head when he's talking to Joanosh?

EgonSpengler86;168708
If that's the case then how come the river of slime is there below Vigo's head when he's talking to Joanosh?

Because vigo is manipulating the mood slime. You have to remember that before the game came into existence vigo never was to be the creator of the slime. The slime was formed off high levels of negative emotions from NYC.

“All the hate, anger and vibes of this city have turned into this sludge” Winston Zeddemore

The only thing the game did was say that the slime was manufactured.

Though Im not a fan of how they had to drag gozer and shandor into the game.

Except (and I know this is getting awfully technical) why didn't something to do with the massive slime flow show up prior to Vigo's appearance in 1989, or for that matter… why'd things come to a head in 1989 at all?

I feel there's more things arguing in Vigo's favour to make the argument of him tapping into the slime flow convincing:

1) The Pneumatic Transit tunnels the slime was primarily flowing in prior to the “Flip City” sequence flow directly to the museum of Art.

2) Vigo directly affected the slime, transforming Dana's bathtub into a monster trying to snatch her baby, control her baby buggy and seal off the museum from outside contact, as well as create the ghostly nanny duplicate of Janosz.

3) None of the slime had shown up in the city prior to the events of Ghostbusters II, and I'm sure if there'd been as significant flow beneath Manhattan that was only generated by negative human emotion, they would've been swimming in it long before the start of the 1980s. The city was drowning in negative emotions, no doubt… but it took Vigo to turn all that anger into something physically tangible, which in turn gave him the energy to manifest more and more, until he had enough to give him limited manifestation outside of his portrait in lieu of loosing the chance to take control of Oscar's body.

I propose that Vigo generated the slime by feeding off of the negative human emotions, with the significant results starting to form once he'd been dragged up from storage. He'd already created enough to start causing trouble by the start of the film's events, and as the final week/s* of December 1989 played out, the flow had grown even more to create the river seen in Van Horne by December 30th (when the guys were arrested).


*Remember, when we first see Dana, it's not even Christmas Day yet (as shown by someone carrying an undecorated Christmas tree home), no Christmas decorations at the birthday party, and the University not having broken up for the holidays). Plus it's usually accepted that the montages span a week or two.


I'm not sure what interpretation should be taken from the river as seen in the portraits of Vigo, but it should be noted that it appears to be flowing in the corridor of a ruined castle, rather than the abandoned pneumatic transit tunnels.

So did vigo haunt the portrait of himself prior to GB2? Im assuming it was painted while he was still alive. Did he reside in the portrait when he died or did he use it as a portal when new york became a breeding ground?

We dont know how quick the slime reproduced. Did it multiply it self by two starting microscopic, and taking a fairly long time to become tangible. That why they wouldn't have noticed right away.

To become even more technical, some math on how it could have gone unnoticed. If it multiply it self.

2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024 2048 4096 8192 16385 32786 ( Se how it lets loose) 65536 131072 262144 524288

So it could grow large very quick without anyone noticing.

lol to technical

Haunt? Hmmm… I'd say his presence inhabited it since his death. I remember someone suggesting (at least I think someone suggested it prior to me) that as Vigo painted it (as Janosz said it was a self-portrait) he performed some sorcery on it so that when he died, his conciousness would be contained within it.

I believe, using the tubs of Slime seen at the court room and in the Firehouse as the basis, that the slime would've first manifested as a small puddle/few drops, rather than the tinier cellular level. Plus, seeing as how quickly the slime in those tubs expanded just on contact with one person expressing angry emotions, I bet a whole city of angry emotions wouldn't take five years to generate a flow the size of the river of slime, but that's me.

I guess there is no definitive answer. It's whichever back story you choose, and to be honest I really dont know which one i'm choosing. I'll wait to see if a third movie comes out and decide if GBTVG is canon

Let's really not forget that when Egon and ray were examining the photos they saw the slime beneath Vigo's face that was appearing when Janosz spoke to him, it appeared to be a large medieval castle with the slime flowing down the walls and forming, as if showing his creation or work he had
made back in his time.

Vigo also seemed to have control of it as we know, and the slime dissipated after he was defeated… Also the pink slime seems to have disappeared since the GB game's slimeblowers use green slime now (perhaps harnessed from slimer? :-() while shandor's slime was black

my personal theory was the pink slime was created by vigo in his time and perhaps used to do his evil, magic or manipulate back in his time. And sometime before after vigo's death shandor had created his own black slime with its paranormal effects

So when Vigo's painting came to new york around the newyear he manifested it under the city letting the negative vibes feed it and grow it to turn the city into chaos, empower him and protect him during his ritual.. So after vigo's defeat, the pink slime he made was gone, and later shandor's black slime began to turn up in the game


Of course this isn't what actually happens since the GB wiki simply states: it was shandor's slime

Yes, the green slime in the game came from Slimer. There's a line Egon says, to the effect of “how much slime can one ghost produce?”

(Then again, he did turn it into “a self-regenerating culture…”)

As for the business about the castle hallway/tunnel, I generally don't count any scene where the Big Fat Head shows up to be a part of the painting. I consider it more of a “dimensional doorway” that looks like part of the painting. Although the Big Fat Head doesn't show up in any other adaptation–the figure moves and talks instead.

Dmasterman;168759
Of course this isn't what actually happens since the GB wiki simply states: it was shandor's slime

Just bear in mind that the Ghostbusters wiki, like all others is fan-edited, so it should never be taken as the official word on things.

I usually tell people to make your own personal canon for the existence of the slime and until it is contradicted in other official media then don't worry about what anyone else says.

Even if it is contradicted later, sometimes you can alter your own personal canon in order to rationalize the discrepancies.